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#059: Cleveland Clinic, Director of Wellness Brian Burnbaum, MD

Brian Burnbaum MD discusses proactive healthcare solutions that will transform corporate wellness and the healthcare industry that is currently reactive in nature.

We all have to earn a living, but sometimes we don’t think of the effects of sitting for an extended period of time has on our physical well-being. Welcome to The Modern Desk Jockey, providing you with healthy solutions for the desk worker. Our conversations with industry professionals and topic-based podcasts are guaranteed to keep you active for a healthy more effective work week now here’s your host, Dr. Kevin Christie.

Dr. Kevin Christie: Hey Desk Jockeys, its Dr. Kevin Christie with another episode of The Modern Desk Jockey. Today I’m going to be interviewing Dr. Brian Burnbaum who is a medical doctor and a good friend of mine. He’s at the Cleveland Clinic, and so he’s actually the director of corporate wellness there as well. So not only does he wear the hat of tertiary anesthesiologist that he’s going to discuss, he’s also been their director of  corporate wellness and he has an interesting background story of how he got there some of his vision and how he’s really trying to change the model traditionally that we see in medicine as a reactive health care society versus you know what we’re trying to get to as proactive and he’s making some great changes in the Cleveland clinic down here in South Florida and he’s working with the directors up in Cleveland at the Cleveland Clinic as well but it was a very interesting conversation. We’ve known each other for about ten years, but this was like the first time we really dove into some of the details of what he envisions as wellness and how this can really transcend the hospital systems and into the corporations and into the everyday livelihood of folks. So it was really a good interview, a lot of good information I know you’re going to enjoy this, we’re going to try to have more medical doctors on here and get some of their perspectives as well so sit back and enjoy it. I’ll cut this intro a little short here, and we will dive right in.

Alright so I’ve got Dr. Brian Burnbaum on the on the line here, I really appreciate your time and welcome to The Modern Desk Jockey give our audience a little bit about yourself, and we’ll take it from there.

Dr. Brian Burnbaum: Alright, well it’s a pleasure to be here Kevin, and thank you for inviting me. You know I have a beautiful family a wife and two daughters who are the world to me. I grew up in New York City and moved here about nineteen years ago but the thing that really brought me to be with you today is something that happened in my childhood. I was a morbidly obese kid; I was one of five siblings, you know as I look back on it now it wasn’t a negative or a positive thing. The negative happened all then, you know the teasing and all those things that happened with being an overweight kid but the positive thing is  I am who I am today because of that. I was able to figure it out myself in a sense when I was a young kid how to get out of it before I was in high school I had really been a lot into you know working out and exercising and watching my nutrition, and that’s what really got me started. However, will come around maybe when we talk about wellness it kind of came around to, you know, bite me in the back a little bit my philosophy that I learned as a child because of those kinds of things. I always thought of myself as a work-in-progress, myself like a science experiment of sorts you know I would be trying things ever since I was young you know I find what things work for me and if they don’t want to discard them. Right now I’m currently working; I’m actually in a nutrition coaching program. I have a professional mentor, and I’m actually starting my MBA program at the University of Massachusetts Amherst.

Dr. Kevin Christie: That’s great you know it’s just funny because I didn’t know that story, I think we’ve known each other for about ten years now.

Dr. Brian Burnbaum: A long time.

Dr. Kevin Christie: Yeah it has been and knowing you over these ten years I just would have assumed you were always a fit person your whole life because frankly, you look better now, you know, than a lot of the people that say, grew up super in shape and skinny and muscular in college in their twenty’s. You look like you just lived that normal very athletic and healthy life from day one, so I didn’t realize that you had that challenge early on and then you just took it took your health in your own hands frankly and turned it around.

Dr. Brian Burnbaum: Yeah and many times actually when I look around at other people because I’m past that fifty-year-old mark, I look around at the kind of shape that some people are in, and I say you know maybe that childhood obesity was really a blessing because it was enough of a motivator to me make this lifelong change and really you know I stuck to it. I really stuck to it, and I’m not saying it’s always been easy but you know I really stuck to it and even till now it’s very important to me.

Dr. Kevin Christie: Yeah it is, you know because like I’m thirty seven and I’ve you know started to see a lot of my college friends that were in super good shape and they’re the type that was you know in good shape their whole life and now even at thirty-seven they’re like they’re struggling, they’re not keeping up-

Dr. Brian Burnbaum: We’re taking it for granted, life’s getting in the way.

Dr. Kevin Christie: Yeah.

Dr. Brian Burnbaum: Yeah.

Dr. Kevin Christie: And they thought they could just do what they did at twenty at thirty-seven and at thirty-five and thirty-three and it just added up, and now it’s like wow you know it hit them. So yeah it makes sense what you’re saying is that what you dealt with early on could have changed your mindset and made some changes

Dr. Brian Burnbaum: Yeah, no it most definitely did, and it really came during my professional life when I first got out of practice you know I’ve always been a tertiary care anesthesiologist, so I take care of the sickest of the sick patients.

Dr. Kevin Christie: Yeah.

Dr. Brian Burnbaum: It just always bugged me that some of it was really lifestyle-related or, you know, maybe related to social economics or you know people smoke, they’re obese and at the time like man I’m spending so much time taking care of these people maybe there’s something else I could do, and that’s when I really started getting a little bit more serious about studying you know this science behind exercise and the science behind nutrition and you know I’ve got multiple certifications in those things and, I even at one time, I thought about going back to graduate school for… I did attend one semester for exercise physiology, but I found that it was a little bit overkill also working full time and you know there were no executive programs at that time. So you know I really started to study it and before I had mentioned that really the childhood obesity, seeing and figuring out kind of came back to bite me a little bit because you know I thought the whole answer to the question then was you know people need to eat less and exercise more, and I thought that for a very, very long time. When I got started here I wanted to do something with wellness, when I was in private practice for five years nobody was interested, and I came here, and I thought this would be a good place to start. It took me a long time to get up and going here and how I started out is I was really just giving a lot of lectures, people got to know me, I was doing them in the hospital, and I was doing them outside the hospital. I built from there, I started a wellness committee, and there were some like-minded people around here, other health professionals who were doing-

Dr. Kevin Christie: Do you mind for the audience, this is at the Cleveland Clinic?

Dr. Brian Burnbaum: Oh yes, correct, I apologize — and yeah, at the Clinic when I moved here from private practice. So I thought it would be a good place for me to start doing these things and I did, and there were some other people doing this. So it started out doing some lectures, and after a while, I got noticed, and people don’t know this probably, but in the Cleveland Clinic in the big hospital in Ohio, we actually have a huge wellness institute there with a hundred people working in it. There is a chief wellness officer Dr. Michael Roizen who is Dr. Oz’s partner they’ve written all their books together. So I thought man, this is a great place to start I can get mentored. So I was doing this, and after time I got recognized by them, and that’s when they made me director of wellness here.

Dr. Kevin Christie: Okay.

Dr. Brian Burnbaum:  So now I felt like I was really starting to come into my own and I was going out, and I was getting lectures on a national stage then something happened to me a couple of years ago. I had been giving a lecture to I think it was some employees at a bank or something in you know my usual corporate wellness lecture and talking mostly about exercise and nutrition and the next thing they asked me to do was the CEO here asked me if I could talk to the World Presidents Organization which is a big group of people who are all CEO’s. It was up in Palm Beach, and there was a lot of millionaires I even think a couple of billionaires then. The lecture started out okay and right in the middle of the lecture I fell flat, I don’t know if anyone noticed it but I did and the thing that happened Kevin honestly I started to feel like a fraud. I started to feel like you know ‘what I’m saying to these people I stopped believing in it,’ and it was really that contrast because I had just given it to some normal folks at a bank and now I’m giving it to these you know millionaire people, and I’m trying to think ‘you know what do they have in common and you know what is the thing,?’ As I looked around the room, and I thought about those other people I’m still seeing a lot of you know people who are out of shape, and the thing that really threw me over the edge was that I’m looking at these millionaires and saying to myself ‘these people could have a person around them 24/7 if they wanted to and I’m telling them they need to exercise and watch their nutrition, that should be no problem for them correct?

Dr. Kevin Christie:  Correct, yeah.

Dr. Brian Burnbaum: And I felt that to the other group of people who couldn’t afford that and I said ‘I’m missing something here,’ because there are people who could afford to do this and I thought about Oprah who has done it many times and failed and I’m missing something and what I’m missing is habits right? If you don’t internalize the habits then this is never going to change for you, and on a corporate level it’s a little bit different, it’s habits, but it’s culture and Kevin to be honest with you I didn’t know any of that. So I really, really took a step back for a while and got myself together. So what I’ve done is, I actually started to mention in the beginning, that I’ve been getting my master’s degree. Over the past two years, I started to really take a look at the corporate culture and how I could affect that because that’s really where if you want to be in the corporate wellness business it has to be a culture change. In order to engage people you really have to change the culture, so the past two years I’ve taken one hundred twenty-five credits of prerequisites learning how to do that stuff, and now I’m going to go get my master’s because unless you’re really a person in a role. So even though I’m wellness director, I’m not really in a high enough role to affect change I can try my best, and I have, and I’ve made little changes but you really have to be part of the corporate hierarchy to be able to affect that change, at least that’s how I see it. So that’s really what I’ve been working on, and that’s how I’ve you know been approaching it.

Dr. Kevin Christie: Okay and you know it seems I’ll have to introduce you to Georgia Cory, she’s the wellness director at World Fuel Services and it was interesting she took over that account and she had to do the same thing but World Fuel Services as a name implies is a worldwide company and so now not only are you trying to develop a culture within a company you have actual different cultures you know and when you’re talking to the group in the UK it’s going to be different than in the United States or in South America and so she’s got a lot of decent insights, so I have to do that, I have to make that connection but what I want to ask you on that because it’s the essence of corporate wellness. It really is what either makes it successful or not in a lot of ways, what are you finding in your studies now as far as culture development that you think will help make the change you’re desiring?

Dr. Brian Burnbaum: Right so let me tell you what I got wrong first, so when I got into this I believed all the literature about you know I would go to the administration here and say ‘hey for every dollar you give me to spend on wellness I can save you five dollars,’ and you know you and I are you know healthcare professionals, we know how to read studies I knew that that research was wrong, that it was flawed and you know it’s still quoted now, and there really is no great return on investment financially for wellness, and that’s not why people should be into it. The thing is it’s a value to your employees that’s almost intangible, and you can’t quantify it that way. So I believed all of that, and I believe we really could motivate people with the carrot in a stick, and that’s not how you’re supposed to take care of people because for about three hundred years now we have youth people in a very mechanistic way right? People are [inaudible 12:59] the wheel, and it came out of the industrial revolution that’s just not the case right? People are self-determining, and I think that right now we’re moving to a purpose-driven economy, people want meaning in their work, and they want some overlap with leadership. You know there’s a saying you know ‘you don’t hire smart people and tell them what to do,’ and I think these younger generations just want to do that. So I think when we’re approaching these corporate wellness programs we need to take all those things, and we need to support people. We need to give them a why and that why is to create conditions for people to really be the best versions of themselves.

Dr. Kevin Christie: I agree, totally you know and I’ve kind of been spending the last few years diving into a lot of that as well, whether it’s personal development even like stoicism like all these different things I’ve really been interested in and different mindsets and stuff like that. What is one of the big take-homes you have from that?

Dr. Brian Burnbaum: Yes what I…even though I had dealt with these programs like on a very big, you know, corporate level I still like to approach people one on one and I’m a very, very big fan of coaching. I do it in my own life; I don’t think I’m ever without some kind of coach for a long period of time. So if I say to you ‘hey Kevin you know I have this great new diet for you and I’m going to give it to you, and here it is,’ and I write this thing for you, you know the chances are you’re going to fail at unless I’m there with you and telling you really how to do it and telling you why are we doing this and you know to teach you about… I had mentioned before about mindful eating and what that means. So I’m really big on coaching, so I think a really big part of these programs you just can’t set people in motion, you have to be supportive of them, and that means I need to meet people at these institutions involved and right now tell you have a very, very small team of people who you know are even involved in this. It needs to be bigger when you have a big company like this one there probably needs to be a point person in every department so that you can really support people like this.

Dr. Kevin Christie: That makes sense, it makes a lot of sense it’s almost like a football team per say you know the head coach or a general manager, and it’s not like the head coach is coaching every single player on there. You’ve got, you know, a difference in the corner area and a lines backers coach and a quarter backers coach and everybody’s got the accountability levels within that.

Dr. Brian Burnbaum: That’s a great analogy like how would the team be if all the coaching happened in the locker room and then the coaches were sitting in locker rooms and says ‘alright guys go out there and do it.’

Dr. Kevin Christie: Exactly.

Dr. Brian Burnbaum: There were no coaches to call plays or do any of that stuff it would be a disaster.

Dr. Kevin Christie: Absolute disaster and you could practice all week long, but when you got to that NFL game or whatever sport it is, and you had no guidance throughout the game it would be a disaster.

Dr. Brian Burnbaum: Right you need somebody right there, you know you’re out there playing you need somebody with a big picture of you who could direct you say ‘hey you know what maybe that’s not working you need to try this,’ because when you’re in it you can lose sight of a lot of things, and it’s the same thing, you know, being in any kind of wellness, you know, the people that we’re trying to support here many of them don’t know, you know they don’t know. They’re always come and ask me ‘hey what can I do about this situation? I’m not sleeping well can you help me that?’ Sure I can but you know what you’re going to have to, you know, come back and talk to me about it, you’re going to tell me if I tell you to do X-Y- Z you’re going have come back and talk to me let me know if it’s working and then we have to go from there. I just can’t give somebody some information, and as a matter of fact, I will tell you. Years ago I used to write a lot of diet plans and exercise plans for people and they never follow them because they don’t follow with me, now I refused to do it because they’re not really being supported I’m like ‘you know if you don’t have time to come and talk to me or you don’t have time to be with somebody else then it’s kind of a waste of both of our times, and I feel that way about corporate wellness as well. If there’s no real support system there, then it’s kind of a waste of time.

Dr. Kevin Christie: No I agree and what do you think can be done to implement that on a scalable level? I guess I would ask is how you could do that?

Dr. Brian Burnbaum: What you really, I think really has to happen Kevin is that first before you can even approach this is that the culture has to be right, they have to want it, and I could tell you that I’ve been here for almost fifteen years and I’ve watched the culture change. So when I was having problems a couple years ago, even the culture here wasn’t right, and now I notice that it’s changing and now it’s becoming the right time to change what we do here even in wellness. You know there’s a lot of different types of wellness programs. We have that I would consider punitive, people hate those kinds of programs, so you know either you get your steps, or you follow with your nurse about your diabetes, or you get dinged in your insurance, and I don’t really agree with that type of thing. That’s not really people being their best selves; people don’t like those kinds of programs. So the culture is starting to change enough here where I think we can start having a conversation about that because these things definitely do not happen overnight.

Dr. Kevin Christie: That’s a key takeaway too, sometimes people or a company will implement a quarter wellness program and look for that ROI in year one, and it’s like ‘ah this is not a one-year thing,’ you know.

Dr. Brian Burnbaum: It’s not, but then you see companies who seem to get it right from the beginning you know like Google I mean they have the most engaged employees. Companies like that have some of the most thinking engaged employees out there but you know it’s a newer industry, you know, you know the hospital business, and you know medicine that you and I are in that’s an old business where we’re in training in the ways we do things, and it takes a long time to turn that around.

Dr. Kevin Christie: Yeah and you know that’s what I’ve always found interesting with say the Cleveland Clinic and just in general with it is obviously in a hospital setting it tends to be very reactive setting. You know you’re trying to fix people, fix things that after they happen and here you’re trying to implement whole wellness for that so it kind of goes against the grain a little bit.

Dr. Brian Burnbaum: Yeah, no and that’s right because everyone here has the mindset of just let’s fix it quickly, and you don’t want to look long term and also the funds available to do that, they’re not you know a lot of corporations don’t want to put those funds out there but not only that neither does our government.

Dr. Kevin Christie: Yes.

Dr. Brian Burnbaum: One of the things you asked me one of the things before that I learned you know over the last two years I met a lot of people who helped change opinion in our government who are really you know some people who were with the Obama administration and now some people who are at the Trump administration who came to talk to us about the Affordable Care Act and now the changes that are happening it’s a big confusing mess. One of the things is that there’s not really a lot of wellness dollars in there for people to really make their health better before they get to the point where they need to come to see me. And I don’t mean me as a wellness director, I mean come to see me in the operating room as a tertiary care anesthesiologist to do your heart surgery. So it’s not there, there was a wellness visit which was once yearly in the Affordable Care Act which was a start but it’s not much, it’s not much.

Dr. Kevin Christie: Let me ask you a question, a little bit of a transition it made me think when you just mentioned about coming to see you for more of the, you know, ‘the operations standpoint versus the wellness.’ Have you gleaned a lot of insights because obviously you gleaned insights early on in your life going through the obesity and getting out of that but then once you became a medical doctor and then you started in residency and then in practice and seeing I mean you have a unique perspective of corporate wellness because most people that are in the wellness industry don’t see what you see when like the damage hearts and the damaged bodies and like the end result of bad wellness or a lack of wellness. You see it from that perspective, has it really given you a lot of insight now from the corporate wellness perspective?

Dr. Brian Burnbaum: Oh no doubt you’ve hit me right in the wheelhouse there Kevin because really I got into the corporate wellness thing almost as a stepping stone.  What I really wanted to do because of all my tertiary care over the last you know nineteen years that I’ve been doing this I really wanted to bring it to patients, that’s what I wanted to do. I really felt that, it was maybe naive at the time now I know, I really thought corporate wellness you could set it in motion it would be okay now I know it’s a little more complicated, but I thought the people I really wanted to affect were patients because that’s really why I got into medicine and I’ve been just very, very frustrated about all the sickness that I see that’s due to things that I think that we could… 75% of the diseases that we see are really lifestyle issues.

Dr. Kevin Christie: And obviously you’ll hear a lot about the genetics or this that and the other thing and obviously those play a role but I agree with you it’s sad, it’s sad what’s going on with the overall health of our country. Probably western society in general but definitely our country can speak for, what’s happening with that and so much of its preventative, it really is.

Dr. Brian Burnbaum: Agreed, agreed and even though that was this thing that you know I had that moment that I told you about where I was really feeling like a fraud. I still believe in those things; I’m just very aware that on a population health level that there are other issues that are probably a little bit more important but it doesn’t take away some of those lifestyle things you know you need to exercise, you need to eat right, choose whole foods. I still believe in that stuff, but it’s really only twenty-five percent of the problems. Social economic issues challenge a lot, a lot of people in this country.

Dr. Kevin Christie: They do, I mean when I was practicing in Plantation Florida which most of our audience will know, but then I lived in downtown Florida which a lot of people would know that city. My drive from the suburbs of plantation to the east there was almost like a black hole of health food you know as I went from a nice area to a lower socioeconomic back to a higher socioeconomic.

Dr. Brian Burnbaum: I know exactly what you’re talking about, I know exactly the area you are talking about.

Dr. Kevin Christie: Yeah like on Broward over there, like if I left plantation there, like I wasn’t picking up any food for dinner until I got all the way back to where I live because it was all you know Taco Bell and McDonald’s and I mean there wasn’t even a Publix which is a grocery store chain down here. It was pretty eye-opening and pretty sad for sure, and it’s because of the social economics, it just doesn’t make sense to open up a fresh market or a whole foods or even a regular nice you know like, I should say fast food but a place where you can get a nice meal that’s somewhat healthy.

Dr. Brian Burnbaum: Right you know they preyed a lot on people on a lower socioeconomic scale which is very sad because you know when you look at the data when they say ‘oh it’s cheaper to eat garbage food,’ you know it’s really not if you’re able to understand a little bit about nutrition and you know it’s our fault as a country for not teaching people that.

Dr. Kevin Christie: Yeah and would you say obviously exercise, nutrition, obviously social economics what are a couple of other ones would you say education is a big reason for the lack of wellness in our country?

Dr. Brian Burnbaum: Education is huge, just having access to you know the things that are freshwater, I’m trying to think of all the population health issues, but I can’t think off the top of my head, but there was a statistics. Somebody wrote a book about this actually that if you go from Washington DC and I forget which direction you go ten miles, the lifespan drops like twenty years.

Dr. Kevin Christie: Oh it’s crazy.

Dr. Brian Burnbaum: It’s crazy and that-

Dr. Kevin Christie: I even saw a big difference, I’m born and raised down here in South Florida but when I was in school in the Midwest, the Midwest it seemed like it struggled in that regard as well. I know the St Louis area had a very high obesity rate compared to a lot of other areas which was something I didn’t know about at the time.

Dr. Brian Burnbaum: Right and not only that but they struggle with a lot of other problems well I mean stress from high crime, there’s a lot of drug use, and you know none of those things are very conducive to a healthy lifestyle.

Dr. Kevin Christie: You know it’s an interesting thing, I’ve interviewed one of my colleagues and really good friend I graduated with him, he travels now out of the country working, I shouldn’t say working lecturing on anti-inflammatory nutrition and we talked about how beneficial good nutrition could be even from a pain perspective you know. Not even the obesity and some of the other stuff but since the inflammation that this food, this bad food is causing, is also causing a lot of pain syndromes and so it’s kind of been his passion and his initiative to try to work on anti-inflammatory nutrition and try to prevent that and so now you’re seeing all these people in pain get an into the opioid addiction. I mean it just becomes this cascade of events, like a vicious cycle it just never ends.

Dr. Brian Burnbaum: Right we were talking a little bit I mean we didn’t say it but like about proactive versus reactive medicine, but opioid epidemic was you know it was created unfortunately by the medical establishment. You know pharmaceutical companies and physicians overprescribing and you know I hate to say I’m part of it you know anesthesiologists give a lot of narcotics. It’s really funny you bring that up today we’re really working very hard now to reverse that and just today know my colleagues, and I were doing cases, and we’re trying to do them without narcotics, there’s a lot of other things you can use.

Dr. Kevin Christie: That’s interesting, I didn’t know that.

Dr. Brian Burnbaum: Yeah a non-narcotic surgery I did it all day today.

Dr. Kevin Christie: Oh good, well that’s a start and I think the awareness is finally getting around and I think hopefully that will drive some change for sure.

Dr. Brian Burnbaum: There’s no doubt about that. I didn’t want to go without telling your audience about if anyone’s really interested in corporate wellness, I have to tell you that you know around the time that my mind really started to change I met someone and I mean not personally I met him on Linked in his name is John Robertson and he has a company named Rosy Ward and you could catch them on there and they have a company called Salveo partners S-A-LV-E-O and they could visit but they wrote a book, and their book is absolutely excellent for anybody who wants to know anything about corporate wellness and I take most of what I do now from them.

Dr. Kevin Christie: Okay.

Dr. Brian Burnbaum: Because they [inaudible 27:42] on the money it’s called How to Build a Thriving Culture at Work. Fantastic book, John is a really smart guy, I know his writings a little more than Rosy I mean I know them both from the book but John writes an awful lot on LinkedIn, and you can it connect with him there.

Dr. Kevin Christie:  Perfect that’s a great resource. I heard that, and I haven’t purchased his book yet, but I need to do that. I’ll make sure to put that in the show notes as well; I really appreciate your time today and a ton of great insights and it’s always nice to hear it from the medical side of things you know. Like it’s really nice to see that there are folks like you within the medical system realizing where the country’s going unfortunately from a health perspective and really trying to change, because I’ve always felt you know obviously I’m a chiropractor by trade, but I always felt for things to really make a difference in the healthcare it’s going to have to really come from the medical system in a lot of ways. Like there’s going to have to be a big movement within that, and it’s folks like you that are making that happen.

Dr. Brian Burnbaum: Right well thanks, yeah you know we’re trying hard and one of the things that are happening and one of the reasons why you know I’m going back to get my MBA a lot of other people have to, and I think that the model of medicine is changing towards you know being led by you know physicians, nurses were getting a lot of the corporate people out of there because they really don’t understand we really need to work with them. So a lot of the higher sea level position now are going to physicians, the Cleveland Clinic is totally set up like that, but it’s a way to go in the future they’re becoming more consultants to us.

Dr. Kevin Christie: Perfect, makes a lot of sense definitely does. So lastly is would you say LinkedIn would be the best for anybody to reach out to if they have any questions regarding corporate wellness or anything of that matter?

Dr. Brian Burnbaum: I’m happy for anyone to you know have my email address too I could give it to you.

Dr. Kevin Christie: Yeah, yeah go ahead, I’ll put it in the show notes.

Dr. Brian Burnbaum: B-U-R-N-B-A-D, it’s part of my last name and my first initial and its @ethf which is Cleveland Clinic and yeah you can definitely reach out to me on LinkedIn, I’m not a big Facebook guy, I have an account, but I’m just not big on Facebook.

Dr. Kevin Christie: Perfect well today was great and I really appreciate the information, will have to do a follow-up episode in the near future but before then you and I will have to grab some coffee.

Dr. Brian Burnbaum: Definitely Kevin it’s great talking to you.

Dr. Kevin Christie: That’s today’s show, I really appreciate, and I really hope you learned a lot and enjoyed this conversation I had. I’m going to leave you with one challenge for this week like I do every week and that is you know kind of piggybacking off of what we discussed with Dr. Burnbaum is I want you to pick one issue that you think you’re having maybe in your health. You know whether it’s a minor one or a large one it’s all relative, pick one and focus on that and make it a habit like we discussed in this episode. Really try to turn something around for you and make it a habit. For me it’s definitely been yoga, that’s something that I’ve been trying to make a habit two times a week for me, and it’s been good. Whatever it is for you I want to just really focus on that for the next week and then roll that into the next couple weeks after that and like they say after a few weeks it can become a habit for you. So work on that, and I will see you next week.

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